{"id":33589,"date":"2021-05-18T01:47:23","date_gmt":"2021-05-18T01:47:23","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.ccof.org\/ccof-ceo-kelly-damewood-interview-with-polipoli-farms\/"},"modified":"2024-04-23T21:07:48","modified_gmt":"2024-04-23T21:07:48","slug":"ccof-ceo-kelly-damewood-interview-with-polipoli-farms","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.ccof.org\/es\/news\/ccof-ceo-kelly-damewood-interview-with-polipoli-farms\/","title":{"rendered":"Entrevista de Kelly Damewood, Directora General de CCOF, con Polipoli Farms"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"field field-name-body field-type-text-with-summary       field-label-hidden\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"field-items\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"field-item       even\" property=\"content:encoded\"><\/p>\n<p>If you\u2019ve been following the CCOF       blog, you\u2019re likely aware of Lehia Apana, co-founder of Polipoli Farms in Waiehu, Maui.       Polipoli Farms describes itself as \u201ctucked away in the Waiehu foothills,\u201d and is       located \u201con the same <em>\u02bb\u0101ina m\u014dmona <\/em>[fertile land]       that fed generations of Native Hawaiians.\u201d Says Apana, \u201cAs a Hawaiian-run farm, we       blend indigenous and modern growing practices.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Lehia Apana is       a multiyear recipient of the CCOF Foundation\u2019s <a       href=\"https:\/\/ccof.org\/ccof-foundation\/future-organic-farmers\">Future Organic       Farmer<\/a> grant. Receiving financial support from CCOF was but one piece of the puzzle       in launching Polipoli Farms. Apana describes how affirming it felt to be chosen by CCOF to       receive a grant. It gave her and her partner, Brad Bayless, the confidence they needed to move       forward and commit to farming organically on Maui.<\/p>\n<p>This past Earth       Day 2021, CCOF CEO Kelly Damewood was joined by nearly 40 attendees for a virtual meeting with       Apana, who called in from one of her mamaki groves on the farm. In case you missed the live       interview, here is an abbreviated transcript of Damewood\u2019s conversation with       Apana.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kelly<\/strong>:<\/p>\n<p>Lehia,       what called you to       farming?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Lehia<\/strong>:<\/p>\n<p>It       started with a garden bed. I wish I had some grand answer, but it started really simply. About       10 years ago, my then-boyfriend, now-husband Brad and I started a garden bed in our backyard.       We started that garden bed because we were concerned about what was in and on our food. Like a       lot of people right now, especially during the pandemic, we just started a little garden       bed.<\/p>\n<p>About four years ago, we purchased this land, and we had this       idea to start a farm. When we arrived on this land, it did not look like how it does today. It       was covered in invasive grass that was so thick you couldn\u2019t walk through it. It was       covered in invasive trees. It was a jungle, literally. For the past four years, we\u2019ve       been carving our way through it. We didn\u2019t even have a weed whipper when we started!       We\u2019ve slowly been replacing invasives with an agroforest to mimic nature, trying to get       all these multilevel crops growing in one space. We&#8217;re continuing to clear land and are       continuing to replant in the farm.<\/p>\n<p>But it all started with that one       garden bed, and we didn\u2019t stop from there. It shows you the power of exposing people to       growing their own food. It&#8217;s simple, but it\u2019s beautiful in that simplicity. It       doesn\u2019t take       much.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kelly<\/strong>:<\/p>\n<p>Does       your family have a farming background? What did they think about you taking up       farming?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Lehia<\/strong>:<\/p>\n<p>I       think if we all go back far enough, we will find that there is agriculture in our heritage,       which is true for me. Growing up in Hawaii, I had no immediate farming background. I was never       in 4-H; I never took farming classes; I had no exposure to farming, really. I grew up wanting       to be a writer\/journalist, so I went to undergrad for journalism and then got my       master\u2019s degree in media studies. I was fully committed to a career in media. Then, the       garden bed happened.<\/p>\n<p>My family is fully supportive, not just       emotionally, but they are here working the land with us. It\u2019s been a really cool process       because through my husband and I getting into farming and growing our own food it\u2019s       slowly getting out and trickling out to the people around us. I think it was a little bit of a       shock at first to the people around us, but there was no denying how much we loved it and       still love       it.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kelly<\/strong>:<\/p>\n<p>How       did you build your education and knowledge around the practices you use       today?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Lehia<\/strong>:<\/p>\n<p>CCOF       helped a lot. Thank you for that question. CCOF was so impactful to our farm and our       development as a farm. You were with us from the very beginning. If you watch our <a       href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=iKetrIBysqs&#038;t=2s\">video<\/a>,       you\u2019ll see me crying, so I\u2019ll try not to cry when I think about this. It shocks me       how emotional I get about this stuff. We were high on passion, really low on education. We       knew how to grow food, but we didn\u2019t know how to be farmers. As many of you know, those       are two very different things. Through CCOF, we were able to build our skills as farmers, and       that helped us to lay the foundation of our farm. We started with a beginning farmers program.       We&#8217;ve done all kinds of workshops\u2014everything from agroforestry to organic practices to       soil-building. It&#8217;s like starting school all over again.<\/p>\n<p>We took a       course in developing value-added products recently. CCOF helped us enroll in that class, and       through what we learned in the class we developed our herbal tea that we make from this leaf,       mamaki, and <em>ulu<\/em> (breadfruit).<\/p>\n<p>Throughout this       whole process, every next step that we needed to take as a farm we were able to take classes       or seek out mentorship and really take us through that process of trying to learn the mistakes       before we make them. We still make many mistakes, but for us it&#8217;s really important to have       that foundation of education, and CCOF made all of that possible. They were with us since our       bushwhacking with machete days, and they are with us now. We\u2019re selling our tea products;       we have an e-commerce site. It blows my mind. It didn\u2019t even feel like that long ago that       we couldn\u2019t even see the farm.<\/p>\n<p>Thank you to CCOF. Thank you to       so many of you on the call today who are very supportive of what CCOF is doing to support       farmers like me and my       husband.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kelly<\/strong>:<\/p>\n<p>\u201cHigh       on passion, low on education\u201d probably resonated with more than one farmer on the call       today. What size is your farm now? Tell us more about the land you\u2019re       cultivating.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Lehia<\/strong>:<\/p>\n<p>Our       farm is 3 acres. We are very lucky and very happy to be living on our farm. That\u2019s a       major plus. We are growing native crops in an agroforestry system, primarily. This is an       agroforest; we have mamaki, which our tea is made of. We have a coconut tree; we have sugar       cane. I&#8217;m looking at breadfruit trees and banana trees in front of me. It&#8217;s a diversified farm       built around some of the crops that are native to this place. So, right now as our agroforest       matures, we\u2019re focusing on our highest-value crop, which is mamaki, and we continue to       plant out agroforest. We\u2019re still very much a young farm, but we\u2019re excited that we       are actually a farm business now that we\u2019re selling some of our       products.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kelly<\/strong>:<\/p>\n<p>We\u2019d       all be curious to know more about the history of the food system in Maui and Hawaii and how       that translates into challenges of farming in Hawaii       today.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Lehia<\/strong>:<\/p>\n<p>This       is a really big question. If anybody knows the history, I\u2019m going to be skipping really       big parts of it, but I&#8217;ll try to give you an overview so you can understand where we got to       today. When the first Polynesian voyagers arrived on these islands, they arrived on their       sailing canoes, and they brought with them in those canoes everything they would need to       survive. They brought plants for food, for medicine, for utility, for fabric and things like       that. We call these crops \u201c<a       href=\"https:\/\/ntbg.org\/news\/exploring-hawaiian-life-through-canoe-plants\/#:~:text=At%20the%20heart%20of%20the,voyagers%20to%20reach%20the%20islands.\">canoe       crops<\/a>\u201d because they came in the Polynesian canoes. For hundreds and hundreds       of years, Hawaiians were able to survive using their island resources. That always blows my       mind. Even now, as farmers, we still need to go to the store. We are still reliant on things       from outside of Hawaii to survive. The early Hawaiians survived using only their island       resources and their wits.<\/p>\n<p>One really big event that happened about       200 years ago that changed Hawaii\u2019s food system was industrial sugar plantations. These       plantations came to Hawaii because during the Civil War, sugar in the southern states was cut       off from the north and the western states. Those people needed another source of sugar, and       Hawaii became that source. The sugar plantations brought in migrants from around the world.       You had Chinese, Portuguese, and Japanese workers all coming to Hawaii. That&#8217;s one of the       reasons today Hawaii is so multicultural; we are such a mosaic of ethnicities. I&#8217;m five       ethnicities myself, and that\u2019s not uncommon. Besides Hawaiian, I am Chinese and Japanese       and a lot of the ethnicities that came during the sugar days. That\u2019s one really lovely       thing that sugar brought, is the diversity among the people living here. Now, cue the scary       music. There was bad stuff that sugar brought with it as       well.<\/p>\n<p>Sugar is a very thirsty crop. The plantations created       irrigation systems that took water away from the natural water sources of the islands to       divert it to be used to grow sugar. That meant that a lot of the Hawaiian farmers, subsistence       farmers, saw their farms dry up. We know what happens when a farm doesn&#8217;t have       water\u2014it\u2019s not a farm anymore. It&#8217;s just a dry piece of land. It was a chain       reaction from there. Hawaiians became disenfranchised from their ancestral lands. We feel the       effects of this to this day.<\/p>\n<p>Something really interesting that       illustrates the effect this had on the culture is that in the early 1900s the life expectancy       of Hawaiians was 30 to 35 years old. I would be dead by now if that were true today. It was       devastating. Hawaiians were an agricultural people. It wasn\u2019t something they did; it was       the way they lived, the way they thought about themselves, their relationships to each other       and to the planet. It was really devastating; it was like cutting off a limb for Hawaiians to       cut them off from their land. We were exporting sugar, and the lifestyles went from       subsistence to importing and exporting food. Around 1960, just after Hawaii became a state, we       were importing about 50 percent of our food. Today, in 2020, we import about 85 to 90 percent       of the food we consume in       Hawaii.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kelly<\/strong>:<\/p>\n<p>I       imagine importing food to Hawaii makes it quite expensive. How is the sugar industry in Hawaii       now?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Lehia:<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Exactly.       That\u2019s one of the challenges of living here and that\u2019s kind of one of the reasons       that we started growing our food.<\/p>\n<p>The last industrial sugar mill on       Maui closed in 2016, so sugar has just recently ended here. Around 41,000 acres was sold from       the last sugar mill to a new company called <a       href=\"https:\/\/mahipono.com\/\">Mahipono<\/a>, which is the largest landowner here       on Maui. They have about 41,000 acres, and Maui has about 130,000 acres of total land, to give       you an idea of the percentage of land they own. Pretty much the entire central plane of Maui       is now in the hands of this new company. They\u2019ve started to grow diversified crops, and       they\u2019ve started to make their impact on Maui. They are new, though, so we are seeing how       they go. I\u2019m hopeful that they can keep those lands in agriculture. But I also know the       reality of farming on a small scale, so I can only imagine, on a large scale, the challenges       that they have. I, for one, really hope they are able to keep [the land] in agriculture. That       is what\u2019s currently happening with those former sugarcane       lands.<\/p>\n<p>As far as Hawaiian agriculture goes, there\u2019s been a       real resurgence and interest in putting culture back into agriculture. That&#8217;s what we\u2019re       doing [at Polipoli]; we\u2019re kind of part of that wave of trying to get back to our       agricultural heritage\u2014growing food by growing the connection with culture as       well.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kelly<\/strong>:<\/p>\n<p>I       appreciate that abbreviated version of Maui\u2019s agricultural history. I\u2019m curious to       know more about the movement to put culture back in agriculture. What&#8217;s the organic, local       farm scene like? Do you have a good peer-to-peer network out there of       farmers?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Lehia<\/strong>:<\/p>\n<p>Yeah!       There\u2019s all kinds of farming styles happening on Maui and different groups that you can       align with. For my husband and I, we really gravitated towards the <a       href=\"https:\/\/hfuuhi.org\">Hawaii Farmers Union United<\/a> (HFUU), which       advocates for organic, smaller family farms, and they also hold space for conventional       farmers, which I really appreciate. They work to reach out a hand rather than wag a finger at       people who are growing in different ways. I think that\u2019s really important, not to just       preach to the people who already agree with you.<\/p>\n<p>HFUU was the group       we found. In the early days, I remember wanting to join HFUU, but also thinking,       <em>\u201cWe\u2019re not farmers! What are we going to do in this       group?<\/em>\u201d But I totally missed the whole point. We did join them, and my first       thought after joining was \u201c<em>Duh, of course we have to be around this       community!\u201d<\/em> Being a part of the HFUU was a major part of our growth. In fact,       we found out about CCOF through the Farmers Union, so it goes full circle       there!<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kelly<\/strong>:<\/p>\n<p>Reaching       out a hand rather than wagging a finger is how the CCOF Foundation tries to support our       programs, creating a welcoming environment about how to learn about organic. We want to       provide you the education and training, whether you\u2019re a conventional farmer in Idaho or       a small farmer in California.<\/p>\n<p>What are the big challenges you see       facing your farm and other Maui farmers over the next 5 to 10       years?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Lehia<\/strong>:<\/p>\n<p>I       wouldn\u2019t put a timeline on it, but a challenge that\u2019s been a challenge for a long       time and will continue to be a challenge is the high cost of everything, from the high cost of       land to the high cost of living here in Hawaii\u2014the high cost of shipping       anything.<\/p>\n<p>We&#8217;re the most isolated island chain in the entire world,       so getting stuff to us is not easy or cheap. The hardest part for farmers is figuring out how       to do what you love (which is farming) and to continue to do it as a business, because       otherwise it\u2019s just a hobby. So, trying to figure out the business aspect and making all       those spreadsheets work is a real challenge.<\/p>\n<p>In March 2021, the       median price of a home on Maui was just under $1 million. If you can imagine how that affects       the cost of land and farmland, it\u2019s much more valuable to have a structure on land than       it is to have a plant growing in the ground. As far as living costs go, it\u2019s about $6 to       $7 for a gallon of milk, which is an easy comparison. For farmers in particular, some       equipment can be shipped to you at a high price, but sometimes they won\u2019t even ship it to       you, period! We\u2019ve had to source things by sending them to friends and family who we know       living on the continental U.S., and then they\u2019ll ship it to us. It\u2019s really this       puzzle sometimes of trying to get what you need to you and then trying to ship your products       at an affordable rate as well. That\u2019s one of the advantages of growing organically,       because for us here on our farm we try to create a lot of that vitality we need right here on       the farm. We try to recycle the nutrients we have on the farm and keep them here, doing things       like composting and cover cropping, rotational grazing, agroforestry\u2014and all these       practices are ways to build fertility right here. That&#8217;s important for any farm, but in Hawaii       that\u2019s really exacerbated because of the high cost of       shipping.<\/p>\n<p>Another huge challenge is pests. We have year-round       growing, so we don\u2019t have a frost to help manage pests in the wintertime. Pest pressure       can be pretty intense.<\/p>\n<p>Imports are another huge challenge. If       you\u2019re a farmer in Hawaii, you\u2019re competing against very cheap imports in the       marketplace, which is a major challenge. I do see people\u2014especially now because of the       pandemic\u2014it made people realize the importance of supporting local. I don\u2019t want to       be all \u201cdoom and gloom,\u201d but those are some of the realties and the challenges we       face.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kelly<\/strong>:<\/p>\n<p>Thank       you. My policy brain turned on to think about all the ways to protect the land and support       farmers in Hawaii. It&#8217;s really helpful to hear about the unique challenges of your region,       like not having a frost season.<\/p>\n<p>My last question is, if there were       a call, a way CCOF could support what you\u2019re trying to achieve in your vision for your       farm and on Maui, is there any advice you could give us\u2014ways that we could give back to       support your       mission?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Lehia<\/strong>:<\/p>\n<p>I       feel like you have been! Continuing to do what you\u2019re already doing. I don\u2019t mean to       dodge the question but doubling down on that would be great. I love what CCOF is doing with       Future Organic Farmers and with these grants because it really targets people who need it the       most. You really need a lot of help when you\u2019re beginning. You need help throughout the       course of farming, but I think helping beginner farmers like myself, who have no agricultural       background, figure out a way to switch careers and get into farming is great. I&#8217;d say more of       the       same!<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kelly<\/strong>:<\/p>\n<p>Your       story inspires us and keeps us motivated in figuring out how we can do more and how we can       support other farmers like yourselves.<\/p>\n<p><em>If you&#8217;d like to       support <\/em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.polipolifarms.com\/shop\"><em>Polipoli       Farms<\/em><\/a><em>, you can use the coupon code \u201cCCOF\u201d to get 15       percent off on all their products. <\/em><a       href=\"https:\/\/ccof.org\/foundation\/donate\"><em>Donate<\/em><\/a><em>       to the CCOF Foundation to support organic farmers like Lehia Apana today.       <\/em><\/p>\n<p><\/div>\n<p><\/div>\n<p><\/div>\n<figure class=\"content-image\"><\/figure>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Si ha estado siguiendo el blog de CCOF, es probable que conozca a Lehia Apana, ...<\/p>","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_relevanssi_hide_post":"","_relevanssi_hide_content":"","_relevanssi_pin_for_all":"","_relevanssi_pin_keywords":"","_relevanssi_unpin_keywords":"","_relevanssi_related_keywords":"","_relevanssi_related_include_ids":"","_relevanssi_related_exclude_ids":"","_relevanssi_related_no_append":"","_relevanssi_related_not_related":"","_relevanssi_related_posts":"","_relevanssi_noindex_reason":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[113],"class_list":["post-33589","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-consumer-education","language-english","consumer_education_topics-american-farmland-sustainability","consumer_education_topics-consumer-health","consumer_education_topics-environment","consumer_education_topics-supply-chain-sustainability","consumer_education_topics-why-organic"],"acf":[],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v27.3 - 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